I mean, there’s no reason not to be. Unless he’s lying about being forced to fire them – which seems highly unlikely as he values Miel as an employee so highly.
Wishing them the best is no skin off his nose. If he genuinely didn’t want to fire them, again I believe that, offering extra emotional support will help assuage his own feelings as well.
I wish we could know what Acier had wanted to call them in to say before he found out they were fired. It’d be nice to know what consequence would have come.
Probation assignment, probably some menial labour isolated from their current team. Possibly dealing with waste or sorting old records. Something slightly useful but generally unpleasant and that they couldn’t screw up much.
Or send them both to volunteer with childcare for a month? That would be nice, but it’s unknown if he’s aware how okay they would be with this.
Not a popular opinion, but I’ve always liked Mr. Acier. He’s a bit of a curmudgeon and stuck in his ways, but he’s willing to look at all angles of a situation. He was disappointed but not angry when Miel ditched him for Cornucopia, and even when he was chewing Miel out for the tent incident he kept it professional. I was expecting a blowup but instead he chuckled over Miel’s “being a romantic.” The only underhanded thing I’ve seen him do was assign Abeille to the foster program without warning… which was admittedly a dick move. Still, one dick move out of several isn’t bad.
My usual comment that people aren’t all good or all bad. It’s disrespectful to treat someone you admire as infallible, or to accept inappropriate behavior from them. It’s bigotry to condemn someone because you dislike something they said or did.
Few people have the option of making a living ethically. So, people try to balance what circumstances demand they do against their own morality.
Ms. Frelon and Flore both seemed like someone I would want to talk to, at the infamous party.
People can make decisions that mean that no matter what else they decide, they are someone undeserving of respect or the time of day. This comic isn’t about people like that, but they exist, and are numerous in this day and age. You are unlikely to find any of them in this comment section simply because too much of this comic goes against much of what they believe is right.
It is not bigotry to dislike someone for being hateful, which falls under your very broad category of ‘dislike something they said or did’. There is no one rule for anything.
Oh. So they both were let go. I’ll be honest I wasn’t expecting that.
I never hated Acier. He’s your typical boss who doesn’t have a life outside of his work because this is his passion. I don’t think he blames Miel for wanting to live his life differently. And I’m glad he stopped Abielle’s thoughts. This is not her fault that her mom is controlling and manipulative. Only thing that both her and Miel are at fault for is PDA, which they should have known better but stuff happens. She really needs her to gtfo of her life. 🙁
I kinda hope Abeille’s response to this is to cut ties with her mom. Maybe then her mom will learn not to put her own selfish desires above the happiness and well-being of the people she is supposed to love.
But I don’t think so, because someone who is willing to get their kid fired from their job so they can maintain control isn’t likely to give up for any reasonable cause.
By the way, now he’s called both of them “my dear” and it seems this is really just a form of endearment (heh) from him, without much subtext.
Makes me think he’s actually older than we thought and using it from position of seniority.
Abeille is feeling the cold again… and it looks like Miel wishes to warm her up, but that would be very indecent, wouldn’t it?
And yes, I did actually believe Acier’s hands were tied and find his professionalism completely acceptable. He’s never been a bad person in my eyes. What I asked last page was pre-emptive, to provoke people to defend him instead.
I think the most interesting thing that I haven’t seen anyone comment about yet is that is wasn’t Ms. Frelon either. She received a call from those above her as well, showing they those above her were informing her. It wasn’t her decision, at least not directly (though her thoughts and actions are even more obscured that Acier’s).
Wow, what an incredibly corrupt company! Firing people for their accidentally exposed personal lives just because someone’s mommy said so? I know we’re supposed to hate amaryllis right now, and I do- but the company is HORRIBLE for allowing something so PETTY and PERSONAL get in the way of ethics! SHAMEFUL
Firing Miel and keeping Abeille would be equal to admitting Miel is a prevert predator.
Same with the other way around btw.
Firing both of them marks them both as ambiguous weirdos.
It may just be cleaner to fire both of them and then decline to comment at all.
It fact, keeping Miel on would probably stink of corruption to everyone looking from the outside. Especially since they’re not able to give socially acceptable explanation of what happened to the public.
Well, Amaryllis obviously is on an ego-and-delusion-fueled revenge trip through the administration. But how does it make sense for McCarthy (checks notes), I mean Mallow to go along? I mean, it doesn’t look like “Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment” stuff.
Speaking as someone with parents very much in the same dynamic, Mallow goes along because he is either also under Amaryllis’ control, or he is enabling her because, despite everything, he still loves her as the girl he married many decades ago. It’s more common than you think. People who come into the orbit of a narcissistic manipulator are often held in their thrall. In my case, my dad excuses my mom’s behaviour as “that’s just the way she is – you just have to accept it/not fight it if you want to get along”. That was the line all my life, and it wasn’t until the shit really hit the fan between me and my mom that I realized what a BS line it was. I’ve heard a lot of family members of emotionally abusive people say exactly the same line to their children or to others, so I know it wasn’t just my dad.
Mallow also seems to have a pretty mild personality as well. He likely isn’t the type to stand up to Amaryllis because he wouldn’t want the task of waging battle with her. As we’ve seen, she’s willing to go full scorched earth with anyone who won’t go along with her, and he likely doesn’t want that battle – especially if (like what happened with my dad the one time he stood up to her) she threatened divorce and with the personality type she has, you know it would be drawn out, messy and expensive. And doubly so if she has him convinced that everyone would side with her and no one would ever believe him.
Now that Abeille’s mom seems intent on destroying any opportunity for them to have careers, I can’t help but imagine there’s probably a huge underground market for videos of people touching each other that they could tap into.
Or maybe they could just put their story on space-twitter and turn public opinion against Mom (and against the company for yielding to her so easily.)
You need a free and open Interplanetnet for supporting “underground markets” of any reasonable size. Not everyone has 8 billion people on their home planet. We obviously have faster-than-light communication (or interplanetary telephony between planets with such different conditions would not work for dialog) and someone has to be in charge of it. This has the looks of a corporate-operated universe.
If it was corporate-operated, why does it seem like the basic needs of every individual is met and the only real concerns are following your dreams, studying and aptitude? This is definitely not corporate-operated. Even more then that it is very hard to control something like the internet. Even in China, where it is done regularly, it’s pretty easy to slip through that with some basic equipment.
Ah, I knew it. Amaryllis was being suspiciously quiet.
I wonder what Abeille would do if her mother got exactly what she wanted–her daughter coming home. What would Abeille do back on Pasque?
If Abeille puts her foot down, and tells her mother to leave, would she go find a job elsewhere? I wonder if Aster’s sister Tulip would hire her to work in the storefront?
And poor Miel, what is he going to do now? Would he and Abeille open a flower shop together?
Abeille did run away. I like to think she has been doing what is ultimately right, not knowing entirely what that is. She’s not letting people help her in the way they think is right. She has responsibility and that doesn’t mean pleasing people.
In a difficult situation, I don’t have it all worked out in my head. Usually, I regret my decisions because I didn’t have at all worked out before I decided on an action.
Some people are impulsive and go with their opinions they have at the moment. Some are invested in thinking they are in control of their life and they do what will allow them to keep thinking that about themselves, ignoring how that affects other people.
Abeille is very strong, I think. I hope she finishes her garden.
I would too, but honestly, Mallow’s been submissive and enabling Amaryllis any time we’ve seen him. That’s a behavior clearly 20+ years in the making, too, and unless he also leaves Amaryllis, he’ll have to deal with the (probably incredibly nasty) fall out.
If he stood up for his daughter and didn’t immediately leave/have Amaryllis deported, I’m almost certain Amaryllis would make his life absolute hell. What I’ve seen happen often is that Abeille will be blamed for being “difficult” and “disobeying” her mother, rather than calling out the real person at the center of the issue.
Unfortunately Miel was used as a means to an end for Amaryllis and she probably doesn’t actually care that she’s cost him his career. She’s got what she wants – severing more of Abeille’s ties to Monotropa. Amaryllis is also probably hoping that Abeille blames Miel and cuts that tie too.
tl;dr: Me too, but I wouldn’t bet the rent on it. Amaryllis doesn’t care who she hurts and how as long as she gets what she wants.
I’m surprised no one has commented on how unethical it is for the leaders of a company to fire employees because the mother of one of those employees wants them to, and doing so without even talking to the actual employees to get their side of things. I’m sure Amaryllis is giving them a plausible story, but the fact that they aren’t checking the truth of it is irresponsible and as a result, the leaders of this company are participating in abuse.
The problem is “Company Perception” the video is going viral, they’re mentioning they’re Eyebrite Employees. If there is controversy, they do their best to sweep it under the rug and get it “fixed” as soon as possible, hence the firing. This is because it can affect sales, sponsorships, etc.
You’re right though it should have been investigated. But think about it, as heartless as it may be, would you fire two people to save the company that is successful and has thousands, if not ten thousands of employees? Or let the company go under and everyone loses.
I don’t know that this is surprising. It’s pretty common even IRL. I mean, remember that guy that yelled “@#%# her right in the p&$$%” in that live news clip that went viral? He got doxxed and where he worked was published by the internet mob; and a few days later the company fired him without much investigation. And then there was that girl who wrote that poor-taste Twitter joke on her way to South Africa and woke up a few hours later when she landed to find out she had gone viral, was doxxed, and fired as well. Companies will do what they feel they have to do maintain their PR, even if it isn’t what one would consider “reasonable procedure”. It sucks, but it’s capitalism.
People might surprise you. Understanding means being able to disagree with people and not needing to pull away because of that alone. Lack of seeing the humanity in others is what makes us feel like the outsiders are worthy of any kind of punishment, because their disliked decisions have made them less than human.
It wasn’t this fraught in the past, we used to think, “That person is just too stubborn and misguided, so I won’t have anything to do with them. Even if I disagree with them strongly, they aren’t evil, they’re still fallible and human, just like me, so the best I can hope for is that they’ll change their mind someday”. This thinking seems to have disappeared from many people speaking online, and never-ending punishment without possibility of redemption has replaced it, and it’s terrifying.
Well, he seems earnest at least.
Wonder where they’ll go from here?
I really hope that Acier is being sincere.
I mean, there’s no reason not to be. Unless he’s lying about being forced to fire them – which seems highly unlikely as he values Miel as an employee so highly.
Wishing them the best is no skin off his nose. If he genuinely didn’t want to fire them, again I believe that, offering extra emotional support will help assuage his own feelings as well.
I wish we could know what Acier had wanted to call them in to say before he found out they were fired. It’d be nice to know what consequence would have come.
Probation assignment, probably some menial labour isolated from their current team. Possibly dealing with waste or sorting old records. Something slightly useful but generally unpleasant and that they couldn’t screw up much.
Or send them both to volunteer with childcare for a month? That would be nice, but it’s unknown if he’s aware how okay they would be with this.
Not a popular opinion, but I’ve always liked Mr. Acier. He’s a bit of a curmudgeon and stuck in his ways, but he’s willing to look at all angles of a situation. He was disappointed but not angry when Miel ditched him for Cornucopia, and even when he was chewing Miel out for the tent incident he kept it professional. I was expecting a blowup but instead he chuckled over Miel’s “being a romantic.” The only underhanded thing I’ve seen him do was assign Abeille to the foster program without warning… which was admittedly a dick move. Still, one dick move out of several isn’t bad.
My usual comment that people aren’t all good or all bad. It’s disrespectful to treat someone you admire as infallible, or to accept inappropriate behavior from them. It’s bigotry to condemn someone because you dislike something they said or did.
Few people have the option of making a living ethically. So, people try to balance what circumstances demand they do against their own morality.
Ms. Frelon and Flore both seemed like someone I would want to talk to, at the infamous party.
People can make decisions that mean that no matter what else they decide, they are someone undeserving of respect or the time of day. This comic isn’t about people like that, but they exist, and are numerous in this day and age. You are unlikely to find any of them in this comment section simply because too much of this comic goes against much of what they believe is right.
It is not bigotry to dislike someone for being hateful, which falls under your very broad category of ‘dislike something they said or did’. There is no one rule for anything.
Acier’s image has improved in my book.
Abeille’s comment in panel 4 and then Acier saying “no, my dear”, seems supportive to me.
Oh. So they both were let go. I’ll be honest I wasn’t expecting that.
I never hated Acier. He’s your typical boss who doesn’t have a life outside of his work because this is his passion. I don’t think he blames Miel for wanting to live his life differently. And I’m glad he stopped Abielle’s thoughts. This is not her fault that her mom is controlling and manipulative. Only thing that both her and Miel are at fault for is PDA, which they should have known better but stuff happens. She really needs her to gtfo of her life. 🙁
Who wants to bet that Amaryllis will say something like, “well, since you don’t have a job anymore, you *have* to come home with me now”?
I kinda hope Abeille’s response to this is to cut ties with her mom. Maybe then her mom will learn not to put her own selfish desires above the happiness and well-being of the people she is supposed to love.
One can hope.
But I don’t think so, because someone who is willing to get their kid fired from their job so they can maintain control isn’t likely to give up for any reasonable cause.
Restraining order.
By the way, now he’s called both of them “my dear” and it seems this is really just a form of endearment (heh) from him, without much subtext.
Makes me think he’s actually older than we thought and using it from position of seniority.
Abeille is feeling the cold again… and it looks like Miel wishes to warm her up, but that would be very indecent, wouldn’t it?
And yes, I did actually believe Acier’s hands were tied and find his professionalism completely acceptable. He’s never been a bad person in my eyes. What I asked last page was pre-emptive, to provoke people to defend him instead.
I think the most interesting thing that I haven’t seen anyone comment about yet is that is wasn’t Ms. Frelon either. She received a call from those above her as well, showing they those above her were informing her. It wasn’t her decision, at least not directly (though her thoughts and actions are even more obscured that Acier’s).
That bish went all the way to the top… Demanded to speak with the highest manager. I guess in the space age, Karens get astronomical too.
Yeah, this struck me as well.
Given he was handed such a horrid task to do, Mr. Frelon handled that about as well as he could possibly be expected to.
Still bites, though.
Wow, what an incredibly corrupt company! Firing people for their accidentally exposed personal lives just because someone’s mommy said so? I know we’re supposed to hate amaryllis right now, and I do- but the company is HORRIBLE for allowing something so PETTY and PERSONAL get in the way of ethics! SHAMEFUL
Keep in mind, she’s basically accusing Miel of sx assault on her daughter.
It’s not corruption to compare loss of a couple minor personnel to potentially magnificent losses due to PR catastrophe.
That would work for having Miel fired, but hardly for getting Abeille fired.
Firing Miel and keeping Abeille would be equal to admitting Miel is a prevert predator.
Same with the other way around btw.
Firing both of them marks them both as ambiguous weirdos.
It may just be cleaner to fire both of them and then decline to comment at all.
Anyway, Abeille assaulted someone so there’s that
It fact, keeping Miel on would probably stink of corruption to everyone looking from the outside. Especially since they’re not able to give socially acceptable explanation of what happened to the public.
Well, Amaryllis obviously is on an ego-and-delusion-fueled revenge trip through the administration. But how does it make sense for McCarthy (checks notes), I mean Mallow to go along? I mean, it doesn’t look like “Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment” stuff.
Speaking as someone with parents very much in the same dynamic, Mallow goes along because he is either also under Amaryllis’ control, or he is enabling her because, despite everything, he still loves her as the girl he married many decades ago. It’s more common than you think. People who come into the orbit of a narcissistic manipulator are often held in their thrall. In my case, my dad excuses my mom’s behaviour as “that’s just the way she is – you just have to accept it/not fight it if you want to get along”. That was the line all my life, and it wasn’t until the shit really hit the fan between me and my mom that I realized what a BS line it was. I’ve heard a lot of family members of emotionally abusive people say exactly the same line to their children or to others, so I know it wasn’t just my dad.
Mallow also seems to have a pretty mild personality as well. He likely isn’t the type to stand up to Amaryllis because he wouldn’t want the task of waging battle with her. As we’ve seen, she’s willing to go full scorched earth with anyone who won’t go along with her, and he likely doesn’t want that battle – especially if (like what happened with my dad the one time he stood up to her) she threatened divorce and with the personality type she has, you know it would be drawn out, messy and expensive. And doubly so if she has him convinced that everyone would side with her and no one would ever believe him.
+1
Now that Abeille’s mom seems intent on destroying any opportunity for them to have careers, I can’t help but imagine there’s probably a huge underground market for videos of people touching each other that they could tap into.
Or maybe they could just put their story on space-twitter and turn public opinion against Mom (and against the company for yielding to her so easily.)
You need a free and open Interplanetnet for supporting “underground markets” of any reasonable size. Not everyone has 8 billion people on their home planet. We obviously have faster-than-light communication (or interplanetary telephony between planets with such different conditions would not work for dialog) and someone has to be in charge of it. This has the looks of a corporate-operated universe.
If it was corporate-operated, why does it seem like the basic needs of every individual is met and the only real concerns are following your dreams, studying and aptitude? This is definitely not corporate-operated. Even more then that it is very hard to control something like the internet. Even in China, where it is done regularly, it’s pretty easy to slip through that with some basic equipment.
Hunh. Scratch a corp, find a human being.
Well, moment to say “F**k you mom, I don’t want to see you EVER AGAIN”.
Ah, I knew it. Amaryllis was being suspiciously quiet.
I wonder what Abeille would do if her mother got exactly what she wanted–her daughter coming home. What would Abeille do back on Pasque?
If Abeille puts her foot down, and tells her mother to leave, would she go find a job elsewhere? I wonder if Aster’s sister Tulip would hire her to work in the storefront?
And poor Miel, what is he going to do now? Would he and Abeille open a flower shop together?
See Daisy crying tears of joy.
Abeille did run away. I like to think she has been doing what is ultimately right, not knowing entirely what that is. She’s not letting people help her in the way they think is right. She has responsibility and that doesn’t mean pleasing people.
In a difficult situation, I don’t have it all worked out in my head. Usually, I regret my decisions because I didn’t have at all worked out before I decided on an action.
Some people are impulsive and go with their opinions they have at the moment. Some are invested in thinking they are in control of their life and they do what will allow them to keep thinking that about themselves, ignoring how that affects other people.
Abeille is very strong, I think. I hope she finishes her garden.
I really need to see her dad step into this situation.
I’ve thought Amaryllis keeps him in a constant state of sexual arousal. So, he’s… conflicted.
But, yeah. He should do right for his child, certainly.
I would too, but honestly, Mallow’s been submissive and enabling Amaryllis any time we’ve seen him. That’s a behavior clearly 20+ years in the making, too, and unless he also leaves Amaryllis, he’ll have to deal with the (probably incredibly nasty) fall out.
If he stood up for his daughter and didn’t immediately leave/have Amaryllis deported, I’m almost certain Amaryllis would make his life absolute hell. What I’ve seen happen often is that Abeille will be blamed for being “difficult” and “disobeying” her mother, rather than calling out the real person at the center of the issue.
Unfortunately Miel was used as a means to an end for Amaryllis and she probably doesn’t actually care that she’s cost him his career. She’s got what she wants – severing more of Abeille’s ties to Monotropa. Amaryllis is also probably hoping that Abeille blames Miel and cuts that tie too.
tl;dr: Me too, but I wouldn’t bet the rent on it. Amaryllis doesn’t care who she hurts and how as long as she gets what she wants.
His foots have been pretty soft. And, most of Abeille’s parenting comes from him and Evette, I think.
My favorite image of Abeille thinking about her parents is the last panel in https://lovenotfound.com/comic/ch05-p16a/
If Mallow does something parental, I hope it won’t be putting his foots down. You don’t coerce your partner.
Abeille is brave and she carves the path ahead of her.
I’m surprised no one has commented on how unethical it is for the leaders of a company to fire employees because the mother of one of those employees wants them to, and doing so without even talking to the actual employees to get their side of things. I’m sure Amaryllis is giving them a plausible story, but the fact that they aren’t checking the truth of it is irresponsible and as a result, the leaders of this company are participating in abuse.
The problem is “Company Perception” the video is going viral, they’re mentioning they’re Eyebrite Employees. If there is controversy, they do their best to sweep it under the rug and get it “fixed” as soon as possible, hence the firing. This is because it can affect sales, sponsorships, etc.
You’re right though it should have been investigated. But think about it, as heartless as it may be, would you fire two people to save the company that is successful and has thousands, if not ten thousands of employees? Or let the company go under and everyone loses.
It’s not that she “wants them fired”, she wants “justice for perversion or she makes a ginormous scandal with the media”
I don’t know that this is surprising. It’s pretty common even IRL. I mean, remember that guy that yelled “@#%# her right in the p&$$%” in that live news clip that went viral? He got doxxed and where he worked was published by the internet mob; and a few days later the company fired him without much investigation. And then there was that girl who wrote that poor-taste Twitter joke on her way to South Africa and woke up a few hours later when she landed to find out she had gone viral, was doxxed, and fired as well. Companies will do what they feel they have to do maintain their PR, even if it isn’t what one would consider “reasonable procedure”. It sucks, but it’s capitalism.
People might surprise you. Understanding means being able to disagree with people and not needing to pull away because of that alone. Lack of seeing the humanity in others is what makes us feel like the outsiders are worthy of any kind of punishment, because their disliked decisions have made them less than human.
It wasn’t this fraught in the past, we used to think, “That person is just too stubborn and misguided, so I won’t have anything to do with them. Even if I disagree with them strongly, they aren’t evil, they’re still fallible and human, just like me, so the best I can hope for is that they’ll change their mind someday”. This thinking seems to have disappeared from many people speaking online, and never-ending punishment without possibility of redemption has replaced it, and it’s terrifying.
Acier’s name WAS a coincidence after all.