I think she’s trying to be respectful of what private intimacy is left for both Miel and Abielle on this topic. Everyone in this story as seen so far has different degrees of comfort regarding on human tactile contact, from practicing it to just discussing about it. Some are okay about it like Aster, some are hesitant like Poppy and the majority while others like Amaryllis are irrationally intolerant.
“irrationally intolerant” is sort of funny coming from a world that changes its standards for unforgiveable crimes over the course of a few dozen years or a few hundred miles.
Touch is a major spreader of disease. How is it rational to be tolerant of people willing to trigger pandemics in order to satisfy carnal instincts?
Amaryllis is as effective with her manipulations exactly because it is people like her who are in line with behavioral standards based on science and accepted hygienic standards.
In other words: you underestimate the mirror Gina is holding up to us here.
A story where the most sympathetic characters (the protagonists!) are the ones trying to re-discover the simple joy of human contact, and you side with the angry, manipulative mother? Interesting.
I’m not sure if I understand some of your points. Condemning people, is based on a rationalization, I think. A person is delivering justice, when they condemn someone for their behavior. They are appointed the role of authority, by some contract with others, or by their own delusions. It’s an irrational rationalization.
Respecting people is not a rationalization. In the story, it’s not just touch or carnal instincts that are wanted. It’s connection with others. Love. Love is unconditional. It’s beyond reason.
With love being vital, it is rational to see it as necessary compared to choices based on cold, irrational rationalization. People cope with the risk of communicating with others, because that is more important than safety. We take practical measures.
I don’t think you are siding with anyone in your comment. I agree that the story is interesting as a mirror. It reminds me of what I perceive as the present day, hyper-connectivity lacking in connection.
That’s the thing though. For us, we know that touching is more than just about sexual activity, committing violence or as you’ve put it, transmitting diseases. It’s also for doing acts of affection or to comfort others. However, it seems though at this era for humans, many of them had forgotten the good side of human contact for over the bad parts of it to the point that many have vilified touching altogether. Respecting others’ personal space is one thing but it’s basically frown upon to still do it even with having consent.
In Amaryllis’ case, she hates that Abeille is practicing touching along with the other things she disapproves about her daughter. However, Amaryllis hasn’t stated as far why she’s so against even consented touching and why she thinks it’s supposedly hurting Abeille. Her responses so far had been on average, just because that what anyone else in their culture would say with no proper explanation as to why.
Was she taught to hate or avoid any form of touching without question or reason for it? Did something horrible happen to Amaryllis regarding touching that driving her to be so intolerant of it? That’s what I’m hoping to see an answer about eventually.
LOL now I am going to have and look back at that Chapter to see what they were talking about.
I guess Poppy doesn’t realize this group is okay with touching yet.
I think she’s trying to be respectful of what private intimacy is left for both Miel and Abielle on this topic. Everyone in this story as seen so far has different degrees of comfort regarding on human tactile contact, from practicing it to just discussing about it. Some are okay about it like Aster, some are hesitant like Poppy and the majority while others like Amaryllis are irrationally intolerant.
There’s a timeline here https://lovenotfound-fans.fandom.com/wiki/Jollie_garden_party_scandal
Part of Poppy’s reaction might have to do with how upset she was when she saw Abeille and Miel touching, in chapter 13.
Right, and even if it’s known that everyone here is okay with touching, it’s not really okay to just out people for their kinks publicly.
“irrationally intolerant” is sort of funny coming from a world that changes its standards for unforgiveable crimes over the course of a few dozen years or a few hundred miles.
Touch is a major spreader of disease. How is it rational to be tolerant of people willing to trigger pandemics in order to satisfy carnal instincts?
Amaryllis is as effective with her manipulations exactly because it is people like her who are in line with behavioral standards based on science and accepted hygienic standards.
In other words: you underestimate the mirror Gina is holding up to us here.
A story where the most sympathetic characters (the protagonists!) are the ones trying to re-discover the simple joy of human contact, and you side with the angry, manipulative mother? Interesting.
I’m not sure if I understand some of your points. Condemning people, is based on a rationalization, I think. A person is delivering justice, when they condemn someone for their behavior. They are appointed the role of authority, by some contract with others, or by their own delusions. It’s an irrational rationalization.
Respecting people is not a rationalization. In the story, it’s not just touch or carnal instincts that are wanted. It’s connection with others. Love. Love is unconditional. It’s beyond reason.
With love being vital, it is rational to see it as necessary compared to choices based on cold, irrational rationalization. People cope with the risk of communicating with others, because that is more important than safety. We take practical measures.
I don’t think you are siding with anyone in your comment. I agree that the story is interesting as a mirror. It reminds me of what I perceive as the present day, hyper-connectivity lacking in connection.
That’s the thing though. For us, we know that touching is more than just about sexual activity, committing violence or as you’ve put it, transmitting diseases. It’s also for doing acts of affection or to comfort others. However, it seems though at this era for humans, many of them had forgotten the good side of human contact for over the bad parts of it to the point that many have vilified touching altogether. Respecting others’ personal space is one thing but it’s basically frown upon to still do it even with having consent.
In Amaryllis’ case, she hates that Abeille is practicing touching along with the other things she disapproves about her daughter. However, Amaryllis hasn’t stated as far why she’s so against even consented touching and why she thinks it’s supposedly hurting Abeille. Her responses so far had been on average, just because that what anyone else in their culture would say with no proper explanation as to why.
Was she taught to hate or avoid any form of touching without question or reason for it? Did something horrible happen to Amaryllis regarding touching that driving her to be so intolerant of it? That’s what I’m hoping to see an answer about eventually.